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''"So anyway last night we go to Mandalay, and it's like on Friday nights they have this..."''
''"So anyway last night we go to Mandalay, and it's like on Friday nights they have this..."''


'''Fire and Ice''' is a program Joe Frank produced as part of the series [[The Other Side (Series)|The Other Side]]. It was originally broadcast on March 4, [[2001]].
'''Fire and Ice''' is a program Joe Frank produced as part of the series [[The Other Side (Series)|The Other Side]]. It was originally broadcast on March 4, [[:Category:2001|2001]].


== Synopsis ==
== Synopsis ==
Debi tells Joe about Friday night at the Mandalay (a club), how great
Malcolm looks.  They're celebrating that Malcolm told his wife that
he's leaving her, that he's changing his life to be with Debi.
3:50: Larry tells Joe about the drive he took on valium and liquor.
He side-swiped a police car; the cop let him go because he was so in
control.
12:10: Debi tells Joe about going to lunch with her mother yesterday.
Debi's happy with herself.  We hear Malcolm sing and play.
22:30: Larry tells Joe that valium puts him in the mood to drink.  Joe
tells Larry about a year ago when he drank, took valium, and drove.
25:10: Debi tells Joe that Malcolm sat with her while she chanted.
28:20: Larry tells Joe about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Wallace Mike Wallace]
coming out as a depressed-person.  Joe reminds Larry of his interview with
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Westmoreland General Westmoreland]. 
Larry reads a fragment of his latest poem.
31:40: Joe tells Larry that he thinks he must address the emotional
damage he has suffered via psychotherapy.  Larry thinks drugs are more
effective.  Larry tells Joe about black jeans.
36:50: Kristine McKenna talks about the people he knows who are
damaged inside: they have to struggle with their trauma.
38:30: Kristine McKenna tells Joe about a fellow she met at a party.
Though she didn't like or respect him, she went out with him, had a
relationship.  He told her he wasn't in love with her: he wasn't
enchanted with her.  She tired of him, broke off with him.  Afterwards
she'd sneak into his place when he was absent to hang out.
48:20: Larry tells Joe was taking valium and drinking His family is
unhappy with his substance abuse.  He says he has to do it because he
feels so bad.  Jolly takes his scotch and valium away.  He promises
his family that he'll stop.  On his way home from a meeting at his
children's school he buys a bottle.  He sounds intoxicated.
55:30: Larry reads Joe his poem, 'To a woman of a certain age'.  He
sounds sober.
<div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="width:95%; overflow:auto;">
<div style="font-weight:bold;line-height:1.6;">Legacy Synopsis</div>
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*[[Debi Mae West]] - her boyfriend tells his wife about their relationship.
*[[Debi Mae West]] - her boyfriend tells his wife about their relationship.
*[[Larry Block]] - while driving under the influence of valium and liquor he hits a police car.  Joe talks about doing the same thing when told he might have a brain tumor.
*[[Larry Block]] - while driving under the influence of valium and liquor he hits a police car.  Joe talks about doing the same thing when told he might have a brain tumor.
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*Larry - His family confronts him about his drug use. He spends a day sober, has a conversation while headed to a liquor store that convinces him to stay clean, then falls off the wagon immediately.
*Larry - His family confronts him about his drug use. He spends a day sober, has a conversation while headed to a liquor store that convinces him to stay clean, then falls off the wagon immediately.
*Larry - a poem "to a woman of a certain age."
*Larry - a poem "to a woman of a certain age."
</div></div>


== Music ==
== Music ==
{{Epominomous, Where Are You? (Mike Richmond)‎}}
{{Epominomous, Where Are You? (Mike Richmond)‎}} [Intro]
{{Bullet (Bitten) (Fluke)}} <ref name=Bullet>"Zion", a reworked version of "Bullet (Bitten)", was heard two years later during the "cave rave" scene of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Matrix_Reloaded ''The Matrix Reloaded''].</ref>
{{Bullet (Bitten) (Fluke)}} [48:03]
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<br>"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
 
Section 1.10.32 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum", written by Cicero in 45 BC
"Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?"
 
1914 translation by H. Rackham
"But I must explain to you how all this mistaken idea of denouncing pleasure and praising pain was born and I will give you a complete account of the system, and expound the actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth, the master-builder of human happiness. No one rejects, dislikes, or avoids pleasure itself, because it is pleasure, but because those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are extremely painful. Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious physical exercise, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?"
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== Additional credits ==
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From the broadcast, 'You've been listening to Joe Frank "The other
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side".  This program was called "Fire and ice" with Larry Block, Debi
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Mae West, Kristine McKenna, and Joe Frank - production: J. C. Swiatek,
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production assistance: Esm&eacute; Gregson'
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== Footnotes ==
== Footnotes ==

Latest revision as of 18:23, 31 October 2024

Series
The Other Side
Original Broadcast Date
3/4/2001
Cast
Debi Mae West, Larry Block, Kristine McKenna, Joe Frank
Format
Karma Style, 57 minutes
Preceded by: Where Will It End?
Followed by: The Angina Dialogues
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"So anyway last night we go to Mandalay, and it's like on Friday nights they have this..."

Fire and Ice is a program Joe Frank produced as part of the series The Other Side. It was originally broadcast on March 4, 2001.

Synopsis

Debi tells Joe about Friday night at the Mandalay (a club), how great Malcolm looks. They're celebrating that Malcolm told his wife that he's leaving her, that he's changing his life to be with Debi.

3:50: Larry tells Joe about the drive he took on valium and liquor. He side-swiped a police car; the cop let him go because he was so in control.

12:10: Debi tells Joe about going to lunch with her mother yesterday. Debi's happy with herself. We hear Malcolm sing and play.

22:30: Larry tells Joe that valium puts him in the mood to drink. Joe tells Larry about a year ago when he drank, took valium, and drove.

25:10: Debi tells Joe that Malcolm sat with her while she chanted.

28:20: Larry tells Joe about Mike Wallace coming out as a depressed-person. Joe reminds Larry of his interview with General Westmoreland. Larry reads a fragment of his latest poem.

31:40: Joe tells Larry that he thinks he must address the emotional damage he has suffered via psychotherapy. Larry thinks drugs are more effective. Larry tells Joe about black jeans.

36:50: Kristine McKenna talks about the people he knows who are damaged inside: they have to struggle with their trauma.

38:30: Kristine McKenna tells Joe about a fellow she met at a party. Though she didn't like or respect him, she went out with him, had a relationship. He told her he wasn't in love with her: he wasn't enchanted with her. She tired of him, broke off with him. Afterwards she'd sneak into his place when he was absent to hang out.

48:20: Larry tells Joe was taking valium and drinking His family is unhappy with his substance abuse. He says he has to do it because he feels so bad. Jolly takes his scotch and valium away. He promises his family that he'll stop. On his way home from a meeting at his children's school he buys a bottle. He sounds intoxicated.

55:30: Larry reads Joe his poem, 'To a woman of a certain age'. He sounds sober.

Legacy Synopsis
  • Debi Mae West - her boyfriend tells his wife about their relationship.
  • Larry Block - while driving under the influence of valium and liquor he hits a police car. Joe talks about doing the same thing when told he might have a brain tumor.
  • Debi - she chants and sings with her boyfriend
  • Larry and Joe - Mike Wallace's depression. A critique of using medication to treat psychological problems. The value of understanding one's problems.
  • Kristine McKenna - Everyone she knows is carrying around life changing trauma. Dating a timid man who doesn't love her. They break up, she is haunted by his stuff, sneaks into his apartment.
  • Larry - His family confronts him about his drug use. He spends a day sober, has a conversation while headed to a liquor store that convinces him to stay clean, then falls off the wagon immediately.
  • Larry - a poem "to a woman of a certain age."

Music

Additional credits

From the broadcast, 'You've been listening to Joe Frank "The other side". This program was called "Fire and ice" with Larry Block, Debi Mae West, Kristine McKenna, and Joe Frank - production: J. C. Swiatek, production assistance: Esmé Gregson'

Footnotes

  1. ↑ "Zion", a reworked version of "Bullet (Bitten)", was heard two years later during the "cave rave" scene of The Matrix Reloaded.
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